Forrest Curo
  • San Diego, CA
  • United States
Share on Facebook

Forrest Curo's Friends

  • Marcia P Roberts
  • Christoforos pollatos
  • Sarah Kirby
  • Brixton
  • Sherry Chemler
  • David McKay
  • Anne Marie Hutchinson
  • Rick Waldau
  • Diane Benton
  • Robben Wainer
  • Jennifer Winters
  • Paul Klinkman
  • Hoot Williams
  • Daniel Francis
  • Keith Saylor

Forrest Curo's Discussions

Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 3rd month 11. 10 Replies

Scriptures: Can't do with them; can't do without them?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Marcia P Roberts 12th month 14, 2020. 17 Replies

The Trouble With Quaker Gossip

Started this discussion. Last reply by Forrest Curo 10th month 1, 2019. 4 Replies

 

Forrest Curo's Page

Latest Activity

Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Where to Put Our Faith'
"Teacher in the world of Spirit:may all heed Your words —the class come to order;and fulfill Your intentions for us.Nourish us each dayand forgive our lapsesas we forgive our fellow poorsouls.Don't leave us prey to temptations;but lead us…"
5th month 22
Forrest Curo replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?'
"Well, then, that's not something I could disprove... unless, as the ontological argument argues (not, of course logically proving anything) the fact that anything whatsoever exists implies that something must do so by the very goodness of…"
3rd month 11
Kirby Urner replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?'
"Just to rephrase:  perhaps Spirit seems obscure because the illusion of having or being a self gets in the way, such that we imagine our experience of Spirit is that of some self-contained separate being that has to "strive to find…"
3rd month 10
Forrest Curo replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?'
"God revealed Godself to me when I'd realized that a universe without God (if such a thing had even been possible) would have been a desolate horror. That was a mercy, to me. To anyone content with being unable to imagine that anything…"
3rd month 10
Kirby Urner replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?'
"Great discussion.  I'm thinking having God mostly hidden is a consequence of having a self, a kind of mini God replica, an idol ("I doll"), whom we tend to adore (or call it love-hate). I don't think God begrudges us our…"
3rd month 9
Forrest Curo replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?'
"Meditating/praying about this tonight, I felt a strong reminder of what I'd been neglecting in all this. Smullyan's dialogue wasn't mainly about that realization that 'we' and 'Spirit' are one & never…"
1st month 23
Jan Michael replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?'
"We could speculate why god set things up this way but I suspect the complete understanding lies somewhere beyond us.  Not that that kept humans from speaking for what god's intent is. One perspective might be that it's a way to…"
1st month 23
Forrest Curo replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?'
"I'm glad I asked! Rami Shapiro is goodfolks; I liked his piece in a collection re Jewish takes on Jesus -- even though he based his interpretation on 'John' rather than the Synoptics.  That's also an idea shared with many…"
1st month 23
Jan Michael replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?'
"It seems to be a common, shared experience that although we may believe in a Spirit behind physical reality, what we see is only the physical world.  I'm indebted to Rabbi Rami Shapiro in his discussion of some Hasidic tales for the idea…"
1st month 22
Forrest Curo replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?'
"I haven't ignored your response; but I've had some trouble finding "how to respond to it." I could easily make assumptions and pronouncements about why you believe that separation from God is a given that we can do something…"
1st month 18
Jan Michael replied to Forrest Curo's discussion 'Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?'
"Why has it needed to be like this is a good question but hard to answer.  I suppose that since we make assumptions and pronouncements about god's intention all the time we could make any number of them about this. However it seems more…"
1st month 5
Christopher Hatton liked Forrest Curo's discussion Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?
11th month 29, 2022
Forrest Curo posted a discussion

Why Has It Needed To Be Like This?

'On Purim we acknowledge that God is disguised in the world and that the world itself is God's costume. There is no particle, no corner of this world, that is empty of God's presence, yet this presence is rarely obvious nor even manifest at all. God is masked by the world, by its forms, by our emotional impulses, by nature, and by language, and this is not a modern phenomenon. God has appeared to be absent from the world in every age, and it has been the burden of spiritual practice to unmask…See More
11th month 25, 2022
Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Where to Put Our Faith'
"To better say what this may mean to us -- It might be better to address God as 'Our Mothering Father.' & maybe I should have put this line toward the end as: "Dealt gently with our habitual illusions and weaknesses"? --…"
11th month 24, 2022
Forrest Curo commented on Forrest Curo's blog post 'Where to Put Our Faith'
"Our Father-Mother in the realm that transcends us -- May You be known and trusted by all people. May Your authority on Earth be manifest here, as it is wherever You reveal Your Power. Nourish and help us through each day's needs; forgive our…"
11th month 23, 2022
Forrest Curo posted a blog post

Where to Put Our Faith

Why did Jesus say we should pray specifically — that God will not lead us into temptation? Outside of Christianity, this isn't an issue. Elsewhere in the New Testament, it even says this isn't possible. Yet Jesus implied it in 'The Lord's Prayer, his model example of how his followers should pray: "... lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil."  Were we intended to limit that prayer to ceremonial use in church services? Elsewhere, Jesus suggested praying for anything we truly…See More
10th month 21, 2022

Profile Information

About Me
Attended one Quaker Meeting ~1961, invited by my best friend in high school. Returned a few times over the decades -> 1991, when I got roped into some pro-homeless activism & felt nostalgic for what I remembered of Friends. Attended regularly awhile, admitted I was a Quaker & therefore had to make it official in 1996. One school year (2002-3) at Pendle Hill, whee! Still knowing God, still being led, still wondering how this all comes out...
Website/Blog
http://sneezingflower.blogspot.com

"You don't do it through intellectual processes. What you do is you telepathically tap in to the one great world religion,
which is only one,
which has no name,
and all of the other religions are merely maps of that."

Stephen Gaskin

Forrest Curo's Blog

Where to Put Our Faith

Posted on 10th mo. 21, 2022 at 11:23pm 3 Comments

Why did Jesus say we should pray specifically — that God will not lead us into temptation?


Outside of Christianity, this isn't an issue. Elsewhere in the New Testament, it even says this isn't possible. Yet Jesus implied it in 'The Lord's Prayer, his model example of how his followers should pray: "... lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." 



Were we intended to limit that prayer to ceremonial use in church services? Elsewhere, Jesus suggested…
Continue

The "Presence" of God

Posted on 8th mo. 26, 2018 at 7:01pm 0 Comments

Our experience of the presence of God is our entire experience, including all internal and external senses and our awareness of experiencing.

We can't say that some subset of our experience is the presence of God.

Some aspect of our experience may come to symbolize or represent or indicate the presence of God to a person, but that's an agreed 'codeword' between God and that person: "When I feel ___ then I know You are here & open for business." God is always here and open…

Continue

The Metaphor is the Meaning

Posted on 5th mo. 20, 2017 at 12:33am 0 Comments

You don't do the Bible, or any human being greater honor, or understand them better, by taking them literally.

To take something "metaphorically" doesn't mean that we treat it as just a fluffy literary decoration.

In mathematics there's a term for what a metaphor does: it's called "a mapping." A useful metaphor says that one thing has a similar structure to another thing; they behave alike in analogous circumstances. One of them can be taken as a useful hint toward…

Continue

Truth is a spiritual reality

Posted on 5th mo. 1, 2017 at 3:10pm 4 Comments

The word 'spiritual' gives a lot of people problems, and I'm not going to define it. I'm not even going to claim I understand all that it entails.

But one description that works: "If you can't define something; if you can't reduce it to a combination of some other categories or interactions between them" -- words like say, Truth, Beauty, Love and the like come to mind --

then it very likely is spiritual.

Friends have a lot of trouble with the word 'Truth' anymore. It…

Continue

The Liberal Quaker (Multi)-Dilemma

Posted on 4th mo. 4, 2017 at 10:06am 1 Comment

If a Meeting takes a stand on any significant issue whatsoever it excludes (and temporarily alienates) people who see the matter otherwise.

If a Meeting can not take a stand on matters causing great suffering (and there is always disagreement about these, or someone would have simply corrected them) we seem to fall short of a basic Christian duty.

A possible resolution to this might look like what we did (as I heard it) with the Quaker House in Ulster. Of two warring groups,…

Continue

Comment Wall (36 comments)

You need to be a member of QuakerQuaker to add comments!

Join QuakerQuaker

At 3:13pm on 12th mo. 7, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
Thank you Forrest. I appreciate you thoughts. I am enjoying reading this person's perspectives. He writes well.
At 6:45pm on 12th mo. 6, 2016, Keith Saylor said…
At 5:52pm on 12th mo. 10, 2015, Kirby Urner said…

Where am I in QuakerQuaker in replying to a Profile comment?  Sheesh.  Um, we may not take the same Exam.  Don't pretend you can see over my shoulder necessarily.  "How effective an Activist were you?" is maybe the only question on my interview with Jesus, who knows?

At 11:25am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Keith Saylor said…

Hi Forrest. Thank you. I was particularly struck by your words:

"The idea of anyone being, not 'a liar', but simply mistaken, or seeing from another perspective, seems to be largely inconceivable to the religious worthies of that time... or that, at least, was my impression from a small dose of their pamphlet wars [like very slow internet flame wars, yes?]"

I agree. My impression is that those Children of Light who do not establish themselves in outward leadership positions on either side (to impose an outward form on others) manifest a supple spirit guided by the inward light filling their conscious and informing their conscience so that identity rests firmly in Presence itself is not lost or overshadowed by outward forms such as anger, fear, ideology, institution, tradition, etc. 

The Spirit to impose outward forms and institutions on the consciences others is as alive today as when Wilkinson felt it needful to speak against it just 25 years after the Children of Light gathered in England. On the flipside, the Comforter is as alive today as when the Children of Light gathered together around 1650ish in England. The Light is alive in many of us today filling our conscious and guiding our conscience so that we know the original witness of the Children of Light through direct personal experience of Presence within. What a blessing to know in ever present faith that the Light is eternal and shines within ... a beacon ever before our mind and heart directing our journey in all things and all our activities in daily life. And that the darkness of outward forms, institutions, practices, and traditions, can be overcome in the Light itself.

At 9:38am on 8th mo. 1, 2015, Diane Benton said…

Forrest, those are some keen observations.

"Fox was clearly a man of great faith, but where the mission he hoped to perform for God seemed at risk, it seems as if it was hard for him to trust God's purposes to God... That's been a subtle and powerful test of faith for many of us, yes?"

I agree.

At 7:51am on 5th mo. 14, 2015, Mike Shell said…

Hi, Forrest.

Glad to be connected.  I'm at a library conference till Friday.  I'll be in touch after that.

Blessings,
Mike

At 12:34pm on 12th mo. 11, 2014, Paul Klinkman said…

"side of mountain... warmer than overall atmosphere, same height. flexible tube, held by warmth?"

Yes, side of mountain.  The steeper the hill, the less cost for the chimney for a particular height. 

The air inside is warmer than the overall atmosphere.  Making the air inside hotter increases the power output.  The site engineer picks a particular maximum rated temperature, installs insulation suited for that temperature and the control unit enforces that maximum temperature.  Solar hot water control units already do this.

The Manzanares experiment was 600 feet high.  A chimney of 3,000 feet was once proposed. 

A flexible tube puffed out by the warmth is one option.  If so, the turbine would be at the top of the tube.  A flexible tube with air-filled ribs would stay puffed out.  From a minimizing the air pressure standpoint, putting the turbine halfway up the chimney puts only half the stress on the chimney.  The positive  pressure would be highest just below the turbine and the negative pressure would be highest just above the turbine.  The final option is a non-flexible chimney built out of concrete/whatever or a chimney with a solid (dirt?) bottom and flexible tent top.  Yes, tent poles are allowed inside the chimney if they don't cause too much air friction.

On my to do list, put a proposal together for Allete Clean Energy, not too bad an outfit.

At 8:22pm on 2nd mo. 12, 2014, Steve Bradley said…

Hi Forrest!

I have just accepted your "friend" invitation......but I should just let you know that I am a lousy friend -- if Facebook is an indicator.  A loving acquaintance set up a FB site for me about five years ago, and a couple of loving family members periodically install new photos, but I pay scane attention to it.  Not only am I perplexed by the technology, but the zippity-doo-dah nature of FB just depresses me.  Hopefully, however, i will do much better at following the conversation here; that's the plan, anyhow!

At 10:48am on 1st mo. 7, 2014, Jon Watts said…

Thanks for the friend request!  Blessings on your musical endeavors!  :)

At 11:35pm on 8th mo. 5, 2013, Forrest Curo said…

The site is for ongoing commentary. It needs bright and honest people to comment on the Bible verses, people who won't either wallow in uncritical acceptance or automatically dismiss them -- but take an open look at why they're there and why they're the way they are, whether for 'all-too-human' purposes or God's.

Since you'd written about having to fight yourself free from dogmatically-imposed interpretations of the Bible and to see what you could find in it by yourself, I hoped you might still be interested. My wife & I spent a few months attending the weekly Torah study at a good synagogue; and it seems to be a different sort of experience when people can just say what comes to them about a passage. (More people would be [potentially] even better...)

 
 
 

Support Us

Did you know that QuakerQuaker is 100% reader supported? Our costs run to about $50/month. If you think this kind of outreach and conversation is important, please support it with a monthly subscription or one-time gift.

Latest Activity

Daniel Hughes updated their profile
4 hours ago
Martin Kelley updated their profile
19 hours ago
Martin Kelley posted a blog post

QuakerQuaker migration starting soon, can you help?

Hi QuakerQuaker fans,It's time to start the migration of QuakerQuaker to a new online platform. It…See More
19 hours ago
Martin Kelley commented on QuakerQuaker's blog post 'QuakerQuaker Resolution for 2023—Can You Help?'
"Hi Christopher, thanks for your ongoing support all this time; I understand needing to slow down…"
2nd day (Mon)
Christopher Hatton posted events
1st day (Sun)
Christopher Hatton commented on QuakerQuaker's blog post 'QuakerQuaker Resolution for 2023—Can You Help?'
"Hi Martin,   I hope other users have been making occasional/regular donations.  I am…"
1st day (Sun)
Christopher Hatton liked David Anthony's profile
1st day (Sun)
Christopher Hatton updated their profile
1st day (Sun)

© 2023   Created by QuakerQuaker.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service