Primitive Christianity Revived, Again
It's a about two years later that I respond to Forest, but here I am responding nonetheless. I do believe that on one hand God in God's entirety is unknowable. God Is. However, our perception of what is, well, isn't always the same. However, where I take exception to what I hear at some Friends meetings is where people talk about who or what God isn't because it doesn't mesh with their experience. If anything my concept of l'Eternel has expanded. Firstly, I have come to recongize that which is and isn't of the Light in mine own heart. Thanks to the Bible, through worship, prayer and meditation I have learned how to test what I hear from Friends to sense the truth of it. In essence it isn't so much the words they use but whether or not their lives are bearing fruit. I do take the scriptures seriously about what the fruits of the spirit are and what the gifts are as well. So, God may be X to me, Y to you, and something then again to each and every one of us. When I see friends who have these varying understandings of I am, and their lives bear this fruit of which the scriptures testify, then their understandings are valid and I accept their views of God, even if I see God differently. God is many things.
As a Christian, God is Spirit and God is Love/Charity. This is how I know God. And He who embodied, manifested, was this Love, Spirit and Charity was his Son Jesus. This Jesus appeared to me when I was breaking down emotionally and spiritually in my mid 20s. He has spoken to me through his Holy Spirit directly. I don't believe in Jesus because the Scriptures say he existed. In fact, for many years I couldn't reconcile Jesus with God. All I can say is this: as I read the Scriptures, my soul sometimes affirms what I read. I can feel the Light in me respond. Jesus comes alive, the teachings of his followers begin to take root and my own life is either condemned or affirmed (or healed) by the Light within me responding to what I read. Through the Spirit teaching me of Jesus, Jesus becomes a reality in my own heart (nevermind that he had appeared to me before, but could rationalize that as being one of many possible scenarios, not all of them generous). I come to know Jesus in my heart, and increasingly allow him to teach me. Slowly Jesus reveals God to me, within, deeply, but also when I hear the many stories of others. Jesus is my rock. He shows me the way, reveals to me the Truth and helps me live the Life.
So I would agree that we can know God. I would also say that God can also be a figment of our imaginations. One leads to a true foundation that endures. One is a sandy foundation, easily shaken. And when shaken hard enough, can lead to a crisis of faith that ultimately may lead to atheism. Even then, God is.
Well, hello, 'tis worth a wait!
Again, I'm going to quibble, because a quibbler gotta do what a quibbler gotta do!
That quibble is: I don't believe we need to know how anybody is living their lives to "know the truth" of what they say. We just know the truth... when we do. And don't always need to be right, can be mistaken about many things; but the Spirit in us knows, even when we're off. What I think I recognize, when I'm paying attention, is whether somebody has tuned in to What It Is-- which will, certainly, have its effect on his life-- but the cause of it all isn't what he does, but that "The Spirit made me do it!"
God can be X to me one moment, & then in the next look that can turn into something more like: "summation of Xn as n-> infinity". Lots of room for one's vision to expand...
There's the truth/falsity dichotomy; and then there's another criterion, in practice: "Does this person's description of God nourish me; does it show me something either familiar or unexpectedly illuminating?"
There may be perfectly valid ways to talk about God that I just don't get, and invalid ways that just happen to help people grope their ways to where they can see the way... God can be leading someone, may have already led him pretty far, without him necessarily being able to say it, yes?
[It sounds good; thank you!]
Again, it's been a while, but here's where I am now, with all of that.
I absolutely have no idea.
I find that while I'm gifted with an uncanny intuitiveness about people and situations (perhaps inherited from Mother), I ignore my intuition. Perhaps that intuition is the Light. In any event, when it comes to knowing God, it's something like that.
I tend to sense what is of God and what is not of God if I pay attention. Part of that paying attention is listening to the Voice. Much of that has to do with me, and with people close to me.
However, when it comes to someone I don't know well or at all, it again comes do listening. When their words don't match their deeds, my first reaction may be to dismiss what they have to say about God, faith or belief. Liar! Hypocrite! But in thinking about this, I sense that perhaps there is an Opportunity here; perhaps a way opening to engage the person (assuming they are open). And even if not, perhaps God can make God's self apparent in the situation.
When I sense God, in whatever situation, I get a sense of the Reality that is God. And sometimes I come to realize that the God I have set up in my mind, is not one based in experience, but in fantasy. You see, I make God after my own image. I create him out of fear, mistrust, false teachings, misunderstandings, bias, prejudice, hopes, aspirations, want, need, greed. All of these things contribute to what is the God of my understanding. However, it's "funny" how the God of my understanding swoops in and says "ah ha! nope! here I am. This is me. Hi!"
Well, heck. My little idol; my statue, my icon no longer has meaning. That fantasy, that nightmare, that creation, that projection; whatever I wanna call it, just changed.
That's ok.
As long as I stay open, the Light will reveal more about the Greatness, the Eternal One. I'll never have a perfect understanding of God. I don't need to.
It seems that has much less to do with what others say or do as to whether God is real or not, but what others say or do, can lead me to my understanding of God being based on what I hear or observe (and therefore interpret). God the fantasy, is based on that. God the reality, is based on experience. Individual, and group.
God is sometimes fantasy, God is sometimes reality. God is.
Hopefully you get this gist of what I'm saying. I'm not terribly articulate lately. And today I've been shoveling out of snow.
Pax
My friend, I strive to say it right, the best I can. That's my art form.
But it increasing seems to me that how well I say it has remarkably little to do with how well anyone reading my efforts will get it.
Even talking about my own knowledge-so-far, it seems odd to me that a lifetime of coming to know God increasingly well...
has brought me to a position of "If you don't feel that anything around you is Assigned to you, then sit still and let God take care of itall..."
I mean, this truism was barely coming clear at the end of Meeting with people around me talking about the many good things they were working on, many painful situations they were dealing with -- and me not even wanting to leap into action. My part turns out to be, waiting for my next Cue, & until then: "Do nothing till you hear from Me!" -- Well, that's an embarrassing relief, but it's how things are.
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