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Permalink Reply by Richard B. Miller on 5th mo. 14, 2011 at 5:38pm

@James.  I'll try to express your idea in my own words.  Tell me if I'm understanding you.  Jesus spoke of the bread others could not see which was to do the will of the Father who sent him.  This "bread" is faith.   To listen to God in the moment (this is why you emphasis the "now") and to be obedient in the moment, is to tap into the power of God.   So if God tells you to tell that mountain to move and you obey, the mountain will move. 

 

Is this pretty close?

 

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Permalink Reply by Forrest Curo on 5th mo. 14, 2011 at 7:22pm

Nice. Regardless of what we call it, I believe that this is what we're supposed to do!

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Permalink Reply by James C Schultz on 5th mo. 14, 2011 at 7:27pm

That's pretty much what I think.  There's power to do what we're being asked to do if we do it timely.  If we put it off the power dissipates.  I'll have to pray a little about the bread analogy.  Seems good.

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Permalink Reply by Eric H-L on 5th mo. 14, 2011 at 8:40pm

For each and everyone participating in this discussion:

If you feel for a moment unassigned, please consider that this conversation  may be having a profound effect on one or more humans you may never meet. As I veer from belief to disbelief I am heartened by your clarity and the example of listening to This speaking through each other.

Eric H-L

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Permalink Reply by James C Schultz on 5th mo. 15, 2011 at 2:35pm

Jesus is definitely referring to the faith that keeps Him going as his sustenance.  Your reference is opening up the scriptures about feeding the thousands to me.  It also leads me to Luke where Jesus says if we had faith as a grain/kernel of mustard seed.  I always thought of this as referring to the size of the mustard seed but looking at it from Forest's energy analogy I think that's what it really means.  The power/energy in a seed is great.  Just needs the right conditions to explode.  neglected it can rot or as in the parable of the sower be eaten.

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Permalink Reply by Markku Hirn on 5th mo. 24, 2011 at 2:49am

Faith is a state of the soul

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Permalink Reply by Forrest Curo on 5th mo. 24, 2011 at 12:58pm

Can you please elaborate a little... What's the state of a soul in 'low-faith' mode?-- How does one move from one such state to another? How specific & technical are you being about this word: "soul"?-- vs "mind", "spirit", "ego", etc.?

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Permalink Reply by James C Schultz on 5th mo. 24, 2011 at 5:06pm

Great.  A discussion on the soul!  I love it.

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Permalink Reply by Markku Hirn on 5th mo. 25, 2011 at 7:53am

What is low-faith mode? Why should I move from one state to another? If  faith is state of being of the soul,it is souls way of living.

I am not technical at all.I really experience my soul being that something of Good in me.A kind of inner asylum , a state which I can reach by meeting for worship.

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Permalink Reply by Irene Lape on 5th mo. 25, 2011 at 2:53pm

I think it is interesting that in a fairly long discussion of "faith" and "belief" at least five of those leaving comments refer implicitly or explicitly to Jesus without ever connecting the discussion to him. Why is he referred to? Why are his words on anything authoritative? I think it is because we have "faith" in him and that we have faith in him is inextricably wound up with "beliefs" about who he was that are rooted in the narrative of the scriptures and in the insights early Christians had that hover over him (and us) in little theological clouds we don't pay much attention to.

 

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Permalink Reply by James C Schultz on 5th mo. 25, 2011 at 3:04pm

I love discussing the soul because no one thinks much about it although everyone uses the word.  There is a common expression that says: I am a spirit, I have a soul, I live in a body.  Jesus states "what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses the life of his eternal soul".  If I read you correctly you are saying that our soul lives by faith and that faith is to the soul what sight, hearing, etc. is to the body.  Is that correct?

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Permalink Reply by Markku Hirn on 5th mo. 25, 2011 at 3:20pm

Yes, something like that,thank you.I am saying that faith is a state of the soul ,like : State of  mind. Not exactly like sight or hearing but as a quality of the soul. Better?

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