How do you fellow Quakers fell about the idea that human nature in its present condition is neither inherently corrupt or depraved but capable of both good and evil as part of Gods Plan.

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I feel this is true. Barclay had it that what is human in us is corrupt, would soon find its way to evil even though we weren't really born that way. But he was describing "Christ" almost as if that were an "outside" force, as if Christ weren't really as much "us" as that wretched bag of habits that [as Robin Williamson said] "I have come to know and accept as myself."

The truth in the "corrupt" description is: We are only able to do real good by the power of God working within and through us.

Do atheists do good by the power of God working within and through them? Yes! Think what they might accomplish if they could recognize and attune to that!

But "Christians", too, often do harm by acting heedlessly, assuming that good intentions and ideas about God can somehow safeguard them against self-deception and bad side-effects.

What, my ideas about God can't lead me the right way? No, that's God's job.

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