Comment by Forrest Curo on 1st mo. 2, 2014 at 3:51pm

Well, that historic guy did say: "Seek and you shall find."

Precise details for seeking, ways and means, whether to hold one's breath or stand on one's toes... were evidently not part of his material. Neither was, "Pay no attention to what I'm doing or what I'm saying or what I mean by it; just stop thinking and you'll get it!"

We're agreed that we can know what Jesus was talking about as directly as he knew it. And that there are many human activities that can work to distract us from knowing... But we don't get closer to God by not-eating, by not-drinking, by not-sleeping or not-moving... nor by not-thinking either. Nor by not-noting! Any of those things can be helpful for awhile, or can distract. All are part of human life as God laid it out. All can be done with God as well as without -- even better!

It isn't that people think too much -- though we typically do. It's putting our faith in the thoughts themselves -- rather than in God's help towards sorting them out -- that seems to make for difficulties.

Our historic person did tell us that God would provide what we need: whether bread -- or anything else people have been given to live by. It helps sometimes that we can remember he said that. That isn't how we know it's true, but it has been an immense help to me!

Comment by Keith Saylor on 1st mo. 2, 2014 at 7:32pm

Dear Forrest,

It is a blessing to know and experience the Presence in all things and activities. It is a blessing be present in the presence so that consciousness and conscience are in the experience rather than in the memories of the experience. I am so thankful the Spirit of Jesus within frees people from dependency on memory and is with me and I with in the Presence every moment; when I eat, when I go to the grocery store, when I re-upholstery furniture, when I create a purse, when I talk to friend, and as I write this message. In Christ human being is free from reflection and remembering because in the Presence is living it in every moment. I am so thankful in the Life there is no "yeah but sometimes it is good to reflect ... to remember;" in the Living Christ there is direct unmediated experience ... liberty of conscious and conscience. In the Spirit there is no need to qualify. It is needful to speak and affirm the unqualified Spirit of immediacy in every moment and in all things.

Comment by Forrest Curo on 1st mo. 2, 2014 at 7:46pm

Yeah, but sometimes it really is good to reflect... I don't want to be dependent on 'reflection' to navigate through life; neither do I need ideas about not needing it.

Sometimes Messages arrive via someone else's book, sometimes they are in my mind when I wake up in the morning. Recognition of truth (or otherwise) is immediate as you say, is from God so far as I don't drift into following an idea of God instead. Certainly I have ideas of God, which include the fact that God has made all the complexity in me and around me, and called it "good."

Comment by Keith Saylor on 1st mo. 2, 2014 at 10:52pm

Dear Forrest,

There is an unmediated way; a way wherein the Presence is sufficient. It is cordial to my mind that outward mediation from the words of others, and remembrances of the teachings of others, edifies you. Mind is to speak of another way. This other way is the message of the original post.

Comment by Bičiulis Puntukas on 1st mo. 15, 2014 at 2:23am

Thank you Keith, you speak to my condition. And even words doesn`t matter, I would like to say, that the word "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to Father, then through me" is what you are talking about. Not the written word or reflections on it, not the historical facts, not even the faith, but "I am", the Light, that dwells in every woman, every man, every child and in all of creation.

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